tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post915358821658432109..comments2023-05-19T13:43:33.131+02:00Comments on LLanito World: After GBC's Viewpoint, What?Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-64569143810992726912011-06-02T21:59:32.613+02:002011-06-02T21:59:32.613+02:00good evening they should change chif minister ive ...good evening they should change chif minister ive been with out a house 4 month and there are houses emty and we are a family of 4 2 child and 2 adult liveing in the car thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-1933989964086228532011-02-08T17:17:38.197+01:002011-02-08T17:17:38.197+01:00what worries me greatly is that caruana is an inte...what worries me greatly is that caruana is an inteligent man and must have chosen louis to go to the program so what is he playing at, you could see from both his arogance and body language that he is a clone from his boss el caruana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-4929860048845993182011-02-06T20:52:57.351+01:002011-02-06T20:52:57.351+01:00Anon 17:26
The GSLP not pitching up on VIEWPOINT ...Anon 17:26<br /><br />The GSLP not pitching up on VIEWPOINT is inexcusable! Not even I can deny that.<br /><br />As you can see my political mindset has not been indoctrinated beyond repair unlike yours. :)<br /><br />I am no sheep and I have no shepherd. I call them as I see them.<br /><br />As for your comments regarding my lack of “capabilities”, in understanding Louis comments, I beg to differ it is quite impossible to misinterpret “We should not give too much power to the people because if we do the Government cannot then make crucial decisions." How can anyone possibly misunderstand such statements? I find your condescending tone and warped assessment of the aforementioned comments extremely amusing. Keep the good work up sparky you are indeed making the GSD fraction proud. :) LOL<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-61967226273588250932011-02-06T19:53:18.859+01:002011-02-06T19:53:18.859+01:00On GBC Newswatch the other day, main news, Govt an...On GBC Newswatch the other day, main news, Govt and Union sign the Building and works Agreement. Who do we see on GBC? PRC of course, who goes on to give his comments on the deal. Where is Minister Vinet? Could he not have at least said something on what goes on in his ministry. Caruana se lo come todo.<br /><br />Robert you are right, lets get a better deal come the next election. You have my vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-71100985876320164982011-02-06T18:51:45.514+01:002011-02-06T18:51:45.514+01:0018:26 Quoting Napoleon is just down your street.Qu...18:26 Quoting Napoleon is just down your street.Quotes from dictators GREAT Stuff!! <br />And Robert its not that you lack intelligence is just that the other lacks it!!!:)<br />I am happy for Liverpool see if they win cos it does my team a great service. Robert we are arch ravels since I am one who sings, COME ON YOU SPURS!!! and we won 2-1 Arsenal gave away 2 points to the toon army ha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-34225641003109220082011-02-06T18:35:21.642+01:002011-02-06T18:35:21.642+01:00That explains it..;)That explains it..;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-11237810076864659122011-02-06T18:34:18.665+01:002011-02-06T18:34:18.665+01:00Sorry, its Arsenal for me ...Sorry, its Arsenal for me ...Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-39598740535649737602011-02-06T18:33:21.215+01:002011-02-06T18:33:21.215+01:00Well at least were smiling. Or is that just becaus...Well at least were smiling. Or is that just because Liverpool are winning?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-54275586308580448342011-02-06T18:31:03.330+01:002011-02-06T18:31:03.330+01:00Anonymous at 18:26
I am not raging nor do I see a...Anonymous at 18:26<br /><br />I am not raging nor do I see a smiley face, not on my post at least :)<br /><br />I really do not understand what you are saying with the rest of your comment ... in my humility, I may have to plead lack of intelligence on this one :)Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-46748557042682476712011-02-06T18:26:44.110+01:002011-02-06T18:26:44.110+01:00O dear Robert, a smiley face to cover your rage on...O dear Robert, a smiley face to cover your rage on this will do you no favours. <br />I leave you with a quote from Napoleon:<br />“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” I think the GSD had only accounted this quote for the GSLP. I as a GSD supporter had never thought that it could also be applied to your blog. Shame, you very nearly had me won over with your ideas, which I maintain are credible to a point. <br />A word of advice, if you want success for the super heroes, find the middle ground and don't apply your erroneous accusations of superiority of the GSD to your own experiment.<br />:pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-19526655401758228062011-02-06T18:13:24.608+01:002011-02-06T18:13:24.608+01:00Wrote a post before but it seem to fail to get thr...Wrote a post before but it seem to fail to get through!! probably pressed the wrong button!LOL<br /><br />Other posts have come through and therefore my old one is out of date. Goes to show how a minute in politics is a long time and how popular this blog is becoming!!<br />In fact my old post is old because some have said the same as I said. The one which is closest is that written by you Robert 17:34. <br />I believe that the GSD sychophants rants are typical and shows them up for what they are NEO-CONS with a mixture of self interested people within their ranks and Ministers who have been given over £80,000 to just make a presence in their respective Ministries whilst Caruana takes every single decision. <br />Louis Montegriffo's comments epitomised the GSD's attitude as does those who try to justify them. <br />In the missed post I also said that although I do not totally agree with Robert in what he is trying to do because I believe that the current system can work if The leader of the Parliament DID NOT use and abuse the rules, the speaker and holds everyone to ransom, something no other Government have ever done. Yes, Not even the GSLP, who all the GSD sychophants will say the contrary,and mention the way the GSLP treated Peter Cumming,etc. Peter Caruana makes Bossano look like a sheep!<br />And this is what Louis Montegriffo actually meant when he said about giving people toooo much power. <br />Louis Montegriffo shows he has a NEO-CONSERVATIVE MENTALITY. But as a democrat I will continue to argue my way through rather then using their tactic of ridicule, demean, use smokescreens, and other tactics such as going for the opposition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-70818842831479969662011-02-06T18:00:05.995+01:002011-02-06T18:00:05.995+01:00Anonymous at 17:50
Strong, yes, as strong as I ge...Anonymous at 17:50<br /><br />Strong, yes, as strong as I get from GSD supporters? I think so! <br /><br />Politics out of context, I do not think so ... hitting the nail on the head, from your reaction I think, yes.<br /><br />Heads and arses ... ummmm ... I will leave it to each reader to decide who has theirs up whose arese ...lol! I have indications that my blog begins to change things. That is one problem for the established parties.<br /><br />Politics and religion were mixed by the GSD in 1996 ... not by me ... look back and analyse my dear anonymous commentator. Again, I will leave it to individual readers to decide.<br /><br />Should we mention the gay rights equality debate and litigation at this stage?<br /><br />I think the truth hurts ...Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-5187891951996318362011-02-06T17:26:19.086+01:002011-02-06T17:26:19.086+01:00Kafab on yet another rant. The statement by the GS...Kafab on yet another rant. The statement by the GSD's rep was an over reach on reality. To class it in the way that Ka has is typical of someone incapable of understanding the real mechanisms and elements required to lead a Govt able to function accordingly. <br />I can only assume that his omission to refer to the GSLP in recent postings is admission and acceptance that they are no longer a credible force in politics today. But maybe Roberts team of independent super heroes will attract the boy. Maybe you can help Harry Potter and Donald Duck in the election campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-76524120703827750752011-02-06T17:13:20.135+01:002011-02-06T17:13:20.135+01:00Anonymous at 12:25 and 13:09
I was referring to t...Anonymous at 12:25 and 13:09<br /><br />I was referring to the GSD and GSLP/Liberals being both at fault but in the end analysis it is the GSD who are in power and so can make the change. They do not need cross-party consensus.Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-46206304736176045422011-02-06T17:01:59.737+01:002011-02-06T17:01:59.737+01:00Chapeau: I do not agree that we need an Anti Corru...Chapeau: I do not agree that we need an Anti Corruption and Bribery Commission. We have laws to deal with these things and the RGP is well qualified to deal with them - Commissioner Wink should get his people on to it. we all know what we are talking about an so does the police. Schapoor Robert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-42728667910108745382011-02-06T15:36:22.371+01:002011-02-06T15:36:22.371+01:00Pepeillo says: Anti Corruption and Bribery Commiss...Pepeillo says: Anti Corruption and Bribery Commission, I like it now you are talking Robert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-51832419455573667782011-02-06T14:39:28.104+01:002011-02-06T14:39:28.104+01:00Fred says:
Robert,
I'm afraid I have not had...Fred says:<br /><br />Robert,<br /><br />I'm afraid I have not had the time to read all the posts or keep up with the debate. But, the very best of luck with whatever it is you are up to!<br /><br />By the way, as regards a previous thread about the government's propaganda piece in the Guardian, Private Eye has had a little dig at it on the basis of the Madoff feeder funds and the Marache case - Private Eye, No.1281, 4-17 Feb, p.32Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-61823758944415577542011-02-06T14:28:29.190+01:002011-02-06T14:28:29.190+01:00Anon 12:25
Louis (GSD representative) should nev...Anon 12:25 <br /><br />Louis (GSD representative) should never have stated the following: “We should not give too much power to the people because if we do the Government cannot then make crucial decisions." The Government is the PEOPLE. It was put there BY the people FOR the people. That the GSD Government happens to think otherwise is another matter altogether. Or at least this was the message that Louis portrayed to the public, whether this was intentional or not is neither here nor there. Louis could have been nervous and “slipped up” as I believe him to be relatively inexperienced when it comes to public debates. When you have the likes of RV and Cruz on the same panel, who wouldn’t get nervous lololol? But as Robert has already stated you cannot attempt to justify the unjustifiable. Following party lines blindly irrespective of what is being said or done does a great disservice to our so called “democratic “society.<br /><br />Furthermore if Louis were indeed to be speaking on behalf of the GSD (when those particular statements were made), then we should all be very worried. Personally I perceive such comments as being fit for any dictatorial regime and uncalled for.<br /><br />Power has a funny way of changing people and as I have previously stated on LLW. Even those with the best of intentions initially can lose their way. Change is required (in my humble opinion). What if these 'people' start believing their own lies? What then? Please take note of the word "lies" as no one can honestly state that “We should not give too much power to the people because if we do the Government cannot then make crucial decisions." Blasphemy!!<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-51899764297701284152011-02-06T13:09:59.967+01:002011-02-06T13:09:59.967+01:00Anon 12:25 says:
RV if you care to re-read the po...Anon 12:25 says: <br />RV if you care to re-read the post we are nit far off. The GSD has clearly failed to implement reforms that it said it would. Please do not however insult our intelligence that the opposition is capable of a tango, they have shown absolutely no ability to do so, whether in parliament, out of it or even on GBC on Thur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-54890929933984385672011-02-06T12:49:41.306+01:002011-02-06T12:49:41.306+01:00Anonymous at 12:25:
You attempt to justify the un...Anonymous at 12:25:<br /><br />You attempt to justify the unjustifiable. Of course one consideration is ability to govern but a balance with democratic principles has to exist. The balance now favors undemocratic and autocratic government. The UK strikes a fair balance. Gibraltar should be allowed the same, at least, balance. Even the GSD in their manifesto recognise this. They have failed to deliver on this promise, that is the fair criticism.<br /><br />Checks and balances have to exist and basic is that there should be some separation of power between legislature and executive, that does not interfere overly on the ability to govern. Additionally there must be systems to call the executive to account. They must be susceptible to enquiry and investigation to ensure that all they do is done, at least, within the Rule of Law, which means that there must be legislative authority for them to do it. Also people are entitled to have an identifiable representative in Parliament to whom they can take their trouble. This is a minimum that has to be delivered.<br /><br />One more item, in order to scotch all the constant rumours about corruption and bribery why not have an Anti Corruption and Bribery Commission independent of government? More to come ... watch this and other spaces over the next few months.<br /><br />It is arrogant in the extreme to believe that there cannot be cross-party intelligent debate. It takes 2 to tango. This is equally the fault of the GSD. Arrogance is an element that is destroying all politics in Gibraltar. It is prevalent across all elected politicians ... come down to earth ... PLEASE!Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-35888058122394342792011-02-06T12:25:23.637+01:002011-02-06T12:25:23.637+01:00"We should not give too much power to the peo..."We should not give too much power to the people because if we do the Government cannot then make crucial decisions." Louis Montegriffo. I think it's perfectly clear exactly what Montegriffo meant by this. A Govt is not able to function without mandate nor the required powers within the party system that we enjoy. To suggest that excessive checks / vetoes that prevent an elected governing party to effectively take decisions and lead is tantamount to a chaos in which every political decision will be scrutinised to a point of disabling a Govt to function and rendering the establishment weak and ineffective. What is required is a back bench system that allows opportunity to those with aspirations in politics and independents that can highlight specific issues and influence productively, always without affecting the ability for a Govt to function.<br /><br />"It is highly unlikely that we are going to have any cross party intelligent debate." Louis Montegriffo. this is exactly the case at present! The opposition has delivered no intelligent debate, conviction, or integrity. It has shown no direction and on matters where there should be consensus, like the constitution, the unions negotiations and other issues they have chosen to either sit on the fence or simply attack with only personal agenda and with no regard to the electorate. A no show at the debate says a great deal about an opposition of 15 years with still nothing of substance to offer.<br /><br />"If he represents the GSD executive...may god help us", at least he represented a position. A great deal more that can be said from the opposition. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-49233833703737204572011-02-06T11:06:27.916+01:002011-02-06T11:06:27.916+01:00Anonymous at 03:50
Well, I received a phone call ...Anonymous at 03:50<br /><br />Well, I received a phone call from GBC asking me whether as a political blogger I would appear on a debate about the elections ... so I said yes! Is that a problem?<br /><br />Who ever said that I am "apolitical"? I certainly have not said it. This blog is everything but "apolitical". It is totally and unashamedly political. I am and have always been highly political. Where do you get this weird idea from? I promised not to go into politics? I said I was not PRESENTLY considering standing for election ... the present is a very short period of time starting and finishing every moment of every day.<br /><br />I did not make my bed on my resignation. Other's are making the bed, so it is for those others to lie in the bed that they will make. I have every intention of ensuring that they sleep well in the bed that they make for themselves, or are they making a rod for their own backs? We will see. <br /><br />I do not complain and have not complained or whined about my resignation. I fully stand my decision and am getting on with my life. What is your point? All I have done is explained the reasons for my resignation. I am very happy about it. It has freed me from attempts to artificially muzzle my ability to participate in political debate. I was not prepared to accept any restriction, however minor.Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-4776396673157687882011-02-06T03:50:13.126+01:002011-02-06T03:50:13.126+01:00Could you (someone) tell me why you (RV) were invi...Could you (someone) tell me why you (RV) were invited to the debate? Considering your "apolitical" ideology. Unless..you've gone back on your promise to not go into politics?! :O <br /><br />Also regarding your article on your resignation, I do believe the appropriate saying is "you make your bed you must now lay in it".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-83438351656060863272011-02-05T23:47:55.135+01:002011-02-05T23:47:55.135+01:00Robert, I salute you for all your efforts.
It is...Robert, I salute you for all your efforts. <br /><br />It is people like you and Sir Joshua who rose out of the ground and shook things up when all seemed impossible. But you have your work carved out here mate!!! I don't envy whatever proposal you may be toiling on that will get the message across to the electorate that block voting is outdated and counterproductive and that it could all be so much more fruitful ANOTHER WAY. -Thats what we all dream about as we walk into the polling station at each election where we are indoctrinated into believing 'vote for the devil you know'. <br /><br />Personally, i would approach you myself, but only if it seems fullproof that 'we' -and by 'we' I'm standing for 'the people' - stood a chance. The viability has to be so watertight that people will actually go for it! If we cracked it, it could change everything FOR THE BETTER.....<br /><br />Thank you for 2 things Robert.<br />1. For bothering for US Gibraltarians<br />2. For having the cojones to go out there for US Gibraltarians !!<br /><br />Good luck!<br /><br />Chocolate EclairChocolate Eclairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-30525040011292924092011-02-05T23:26:39.574+01:002011-02-05T23:26:39.574+01:00Dear Llanito World
"We should not give too m...Dear Llanito World<br /><br />"We should not give too much power to the people because if we do the Government cannot then make crucial decisions." Louis Montegriffo<br /><br />"It is highly unlikely that we are going to have any cross party intelligent debate." Louis Montegriffo<br /><br />If he represents the GSD executive...may god help usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com