tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post8907110814715297752..comments2023-05-19T13:43:33.131+02:00Comments on LLanito World: Corruption, What is it?Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-5617183690018371332011-04-10T17:48:50.882+02:002011-04-10T17:48:50.882+02:00Anonymous at 16:58
You are right on your party li...Anonymous at 16:58<br /><br />You are right on your party line division that is prevalent in comments. I cannot do more than write my views and encourage independent comment ...Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-64716795092417064322011-04-10T16:58:46.082+02:002011-04-10T16:58:46.082+02:00RV the responses here trckle down into the same ki...RV the responses here trckle down into the same kind of party political wrangling Gibraltar is air to. Petty snipes and ill informed supposition just what political parties like to hear as it clouds the real issues that those with a platform say they want but really once the platform is secure forget to enquire about.<br />Since when for instance did this become a 2 horse race ... well only since that is all that seems that people can cope with. Other politicians in other parties including the PDP have valid points that will not be discussed because those that write here only want a 2 horse race that way power like a ping pong ball goes only from one to the other.<br />Other comments .. Fabian Picardo is past his sell by date??? The man is about 38 for God's sake. Also if you actually talk to him he has more fire in his belly than many I've met and whether you like him or not he like Caruana will grow into the job. Not heard from him .. well with Smokey Old Joe hanging on like Sherlock at the Reichenbach Falls his couldn't announce anything worthy of political debate once he is leader he can and once the GSLP manifesto is out there will be discussion to have. GSD likewise they are doing lots to hopefully claw back some passion and favours and many will jnot vote out of spite (I didnt get that tender boo hoo) some will just sim ply want change but others will be happy not ecstatic but happy with their lot and don't want the old socialist nonsense back. As for the Liberals well they'll stay under that umbrella it's the only reason they got 3 in last time I think unless they feel they really are a separate party able to stand on their own. That'll be a no then.<br />What am I trying to say, well in some ways Kaelan, the 'nationalism' you ask for is precisely why you have the cronyism already rife within this system. It is also why the political element here can get away with what they do and what they don't bother doing after promising it. It is also why external investors aren't as keen as they could be trust is what is needed not nationalism, unionism, cronyism or any other ism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-88835415580551382962011-04-07T21:26:52.344+02:002011-04-07T21:26:52.344+02:00Kaelan says:
Damian it seems you have completely ...Kaelan says:<br /><br />Damian it seems you have completely misperceived my comments. I was not trying to impose anything on anyone merely questioning WHY you think Selwyn is a suitable candidate. I then just so happened to add that I thought he was not capacitated dealing with the task at hand if elected.<br /><br />You very assertively state you are not a GSD supporter yet the manner in which you attempt to twist my comments seems very familiar indeed. Very much reminds me of the manner in which GSD sycophants go along of doing “their business”. <br /><br />Furthermore just because Selwyn is “new blood” does not mean he instantly becomes a viable option. Are you implying then that any new comer running for office should be given a chance regardless of their credentials? Blasphemy! <br /><br />Please note you are still to answer my question......<br /><br />Additionally you also stated the following “I have know Selwyn personally for the last 25 odd years”. This tells me that you are a friend of Selwyn, therefore your views are surely subjective. This conclusion is strengthened by the fact that you responded to my question with ANOTHER question whilst refusing to answer my initial query. Then proceeded to suggest that I am attempting to “brain wash” the LLW bloggers with my own “warped” ideology. <br /><br />As flattering as that may sound, I do not believe myself capable of coercing any of the strong minded people who participate in this blog. Please give them more credit!<br /><br />Additionally you have previously (via another post) put down your own people and implied they were “lazy and did not want to work”, now you twist my comments whilst neglecting to answer the question poised. <br /><br />I do wonder who you are "Damian" as it seems obvious now that you have links to the party you so adamantly state you do not support. <br /><br />Ps- it is not Selwyn’s party of choice that concerns me, but rather Selwyn. I have had a few public debates with Selwyn in the past (some on LLW), one of them regarding nationalism. Something Mr .Figuera’s seems to frown upon and something that I believe is essential in today’s Gibraltar. <br /><br />If you can find the time to answer my question, I will find the time to elaborate further. :)<br /><br />KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-83026272804072046842011-04-07T21:16:40.865+02:002011-04-07T21:16:40.865+02:00Damian says:
Hi Kaelan,
What's wrong with gi...Damian says:<br /><br />Hi Kaelan,<br /><br />What's wrong with giving new blood a chance? One can vote for an individual and not a whole party... at least he has had courage to stand in front of a camera and attempt to put forward his views. I have know Selwyn personally for the last 25 odd years and before you make any assumptions I am not pro-GSD. Selwyn is a person who has always spoken his mind and I personally consider him to have interegrity and honesty. What is so wrong with encouraging and supporting a new entrant into local politics irrespective as to what party he supports? <br />I did not watch his "I believe" broadcast so I can't buy something I don't know..<br />At a personal level I have some major issues with the GSD administration, but I will not let my own personal issues from interfering with and poisoning objective and rational debate. <br />I suspect that you personally, might have strong personal issues which are affecting your outlook and judgement on political debate. When individuals allow personal sentiments to poison their own outlook and judgement it becomes dangerous especially if that person holds considerable power; we could end up with a meglomaniac dictator... does that ring a bell or remind you of anybody past or present??<br /><br />Kaelan, my question to you is why not? Is your objection to Selwyn based purely on the fact that he is GSD? <br /><br />It seems to me that whoever you vote for will be representing YOUR view of what Gibraltar should be and not neccesarily what everybody else's view is of what THEIR Gibraltar should be. Please do not try and impose on everybody your views and then attempt to belittle anybody who doesn't share your point of view... you are treading on dangerous ground and starting to turn to "the dark side of the force....."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-81996377487322518882011-04-06T22:20:25.040+02:002011-04-06T22:20:25.040+02:00anon 21.48
Perhaps you should go to the Mackintos...anon 21.48<br /><br />Perhaps you should go to the Mackintosh Hall on the 20th @ 7 pm, and witness the membership carrying out their democratic right.<br /><br />It might even be moving enough to encourage you and others to seek the same within your Party<br /><br />Johnny M LavoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-44004108622590776202011-04-06T22:03:24.049+02:002011-04-06T22:03:24.049+02:00anon @ 21:48
es verdad, por que ustedes en el GSD...anon @ 21:48<br /><br />es verdad, por que ustedes en el GSD entendei de leadership elections!<br /><br />no sabei lo ke deci ya! ke pesha!<br /><br />MorteroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-42435488771910827272011-04-06T21:48:25.492+02:002011-04-06T21:48:25.492+02:00So, Gibraltar's official opposition with an un...So, Gibraltar's official opposition with an uncontested leadership election. Does anyone believe Fabian is the only aspiring chief minister amongst that lot? Not for a bit. There must have been quite a bit of arm-twisting going on to keep challengers out of the race. So much for democracy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-73249829920795334942011-04-06T21:18:25.763+02:002011-04-06T21:18:25.763+02:00Gsd supporters seem to be everywhere asking the 6 ...Gsd supporters seem to be everywhere asking the 6 million dollar question 'When is the GSLP going to reveal all?'<br /><br />Running out of ideas, are we? <br /><br />Anna CondaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-57296861539176250672011-04-06T21:09:23.873+02:002011-04-06T21:09:23.873+02:00It is true that on occasion I do take, shall we sa...It is true that on occasion I do take, shall we say, "" proscribed substances but I do so in my own time and in the privacy of my own home and it does not hinder my world or family life but I do agree with the old timer that Fabian @14.20 that Fabian Picardo seems past his sell by date and I agree with Damian that Selwyn Figueras is a young man with great promise. Another bright young light as someone has already mentioned is Neal Costa. I say out with the old and in with the new. Piqui is old politics Selwyn & Neal are the new style.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-5324213683097047512011-04-06T20:48:59.862+02:002011-04-06T20:48:59.862+02:00Selwyn Figueras? What are you smoking? Must be v...Selwyn Figueras? What are you smoking? Must be very strong stuff.<br /><br />On what grounds do you make such a statement Damian? Was it his "I believe" speech on GBC that inspired confidence? Did you actually buy into that? LOL<br /><br />Please feel free to enlighten as I am perplexed by such comments.<br /><br />What does Selwyn have for example that you and I do not?<br /><br />Remember if elected he will be representing OUR Gibraltar. Personally I do not believe Selwyn has what it takes to do so.<br /><br />I eagerly await your response.<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-43769108558371173712011-04-06T19:43:15.532+02:002011-04-06T19:43:15.532+02:00Llanito anciano @ 14:20
La frase "ya esta ay...Llanito anciano @ 14:20<br /><br />La frase "ya esta ayudando" insinua que el sindicato Unite lleva independencia propia.<br /><br />Como se diria en el ingles "more like on the payroll"!<br /><br />Tal vez tenga usted razon, ya que las canas suelen traer sabiduria, y Fabian pueda perder el tren electoral. <br /><br />Lo que no tengo duda, habiendo observado otras eleciones, es que deben de andar con pies de balerina y no descartarse muy pronto. Nuestro Primer Ministro, y sus mindundis y abrazafaloras, son capaces de todo.<br /><br />Se aprovechara Caruana del reto planteado por Fabian en el Panorama de hoy?<br /><br />Paca GarseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-25085366957146730002011-04-06T19:09:44.602+02:002011-04-06T19:09:44.602+02:00anon @ 11:34
Gibraltar was able to trust the secr...anon @ 11:34<br /><br />Gibraltar was able to trust the secretary of the PAP 16 years ago, what more can I say!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-82748035627099065212011-04-06T14:20:40.256+02:002011-04-06T14:20:40.256+02:00Llanito anciano: El union ya esta ayudando al GSD ...Llanito anciano: El union ya esta ayudando al GSD - hoy sale uno de los directivos de Unite en Londres quejandose del comportamiento el GSLP con el civil service en 1991. Como espere Fabian mucho mas "to reveal all" el y sus amigos van a perder el tren y no me sorprenderia que perdieran escanos en el opposition al PDP y al CIR o a algun candidato independiente fuerte. No se puede estar ejerciendo derecho y preparandose para liderar nuestra patria al mismo tiempo. Be serious!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-11780820594324460592011-04-06T13:09:19.444+02:002011-04-06T13:09:19.444+02:00What does Gibraltar have to loose if Fabian is vot...What does Gibraltar have to loose if Fabian is voted as the next CM? like I said, give the man a chance... on the same note, lets give a chance to Robert as an independant and to any other new blood that comes into the local political arena such as Selwyn Figueras. Surely time will tell if the electorate have made the right choice. <br />Gibraltar not only needs a different Government, the GSD could also do with an injection of fresh candidates, hopefully candidates that are bold and brave enough to be independant minded and not follow orders blindly from the current politcal master! <br />As for independants.. this will should be welcomed and encouraged by the local electorate as they can break Government's monopoly when it comes to voting on any bills, legislation etc in Parliament.<br />I definately subscribe to RV's electoral reform propositions. Change for the better is good. Accountability and transparency is good so long as it doesn't bog down decision making by the executive; all within reason: (lets not have a political debate everytime we need change a traffic sign, GoG needs to order a few extra reems of paper at an extra cost of £50, etc!!!!)<br />Trust needs to be earned and is a two way street. It is a slow process to gain and it can be lost in a second! <br />Thanks to llanito world, the next elections will be interesting and I hope to see real change if their is a change in the ruling party.Damiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-5065412278587283272011-04-06T11:34:09.869+02:002011-04-06T11:34:09.869+02:00Fabian might have many good qualities but that doe...Fabian might have many good qualities but that does mean he is the ideal candidate. Trust is key. Will voters trust him to lead Gibraltar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-31539049873562619222011-04-06T10:41:01.762+02:002011-04-06T10:41:01.762+02:00Anon 08:49
‘What "the electorate want and ne...Anon 08:49<br /><br />‘What "the electorate want and need" is to be traeted with respect and not talked down to by politicians.’<br /><br />The Government would do well to heed those same words. <br /><br />I will assess Fabian’s ability to be an effective leader when he is appointed as the leader of the GSLP party. What leadership potential had Caruana exhibited before he was chosen to be next in line for the crown? None of any significant importance whatsoever. Yet, he was a great leader of our people for many years.<br /><br />The impression I get from speaking to others is that the current administration’s attempts to undermine the merits of Fabian as a leader and the rumoured ‘dream team’ line up before they have even been officially announced comes across as desperate and panicky, and it is indicative of a party that realises its facing an election that it will in all likelihood not win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-80550422093832706082011-04-06T10:34:49.914+02:002011-04-06T10:34:49.914+02:00anon @23:47
ke dice? tu ke esta en serio?
como s...anon @23:47<br /><br />ke dice? tu ke esta en serio?<br /><br />como se enteren el civil service de esto, se lia!<br /><br />on the other hand, como se entere el chief ke hay algien andando por ahi hablando por lo codos, no vea la ke le va a caer!<br /><br />como estan los ninios no? entre el Louis, el 'I believe' y ahora esto! ke pesha de new recruits!<br /><br />morteroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-1242195600651472162011-04-06T10:20:11.525+02:002011-04-06T10:20:11.525+02:00Damian
perhaps I did misunderstand your sentiment...Damian<br /><br />perhaps I did misunderstand your sentiments before, as I certainly agree with you now, and the impression you gave in the earlier blog certainly does not reflect in what you have to say now.<br /><br />I agree with you about Fabian. There is a lot of criticism going around, but I suspect the GSD rumour-mill has a lot to do with it. I am sure however, that Gibraltarian common-sense will prevail and see through them, and as you say, this is a democracy and he has 4 years to prove himself. I also hope Robert gets a seat on the opposition benches and kicks up a good old fuss whilst he's there!<br /><br />a proud llanitaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-18313086180101144822011-04-06T09:53:54.567+02:002011-04-06T09:53:54.567+02:00Proud llanita... thanks... I am not that bad after...Proud llanita... thanks... I am not that bad after all, probably that my sentiments in the other blogg might have been misunderstood.<br /><br />Refernce all this critism over Fabian not being the right man, why don't we give him a chance and see what happens? After all in four years time if we are not happy we can vote him out.. isn't that what democracy is about? <br /><br />If the people really want change, then they will have to choose in a realistic manner given the electoral system we have... either GSD or GSLP/Liberals. It would be good for a few independents to get in as this would stop the polarization in Parliament.<br /><br />Before anybody starts commenting that my post is GSLP and anti GSD, let me make the point that when it comes to local politics, i do not subscribe to any single party blindly or passionately. Like i mentioned above.. for me it is a question of choosing the lesser of two evils.Damiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-77924639869703955522011-04-06T08:49:03.866+02:002011-04-06T08:49:03.866+02:00Has Fabian heard that, as the title, to this blog ...Has Fabian heard that, as the title, to this blog implies, corruption is a matter of concern to the people or is Fabian happy to focus on road tax and toilets etc as anon at at 23.10 implies? What "the electorate want and need" is to be traeted with respect and not talked down to by politicians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-31254223548787377012011-04-06T00:01:01.912+02:002011-04-06T00:01:01.912+02:00Braveheart says:
I would bet my arse on someone l...Braveheart says:<br /><br />I would bet my arse on someone like Fabian...born and bred in Gib, a true Gibraltarian, working class background, someone who I have no doubt will defend our land, stand up against external influences and is PRO GIBRALTARIAN.<br /><br />Who was PRC before he got in as CM? That is my question. Que mala memoria tienen algunos!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-34194357992003236742011-04-05T23:47:09.503+02:002011-04-05T23:47:09.503+02:00apparently a certain future member of the 'Dre...apparently a certain future member of the 'Dream Team' has announced civil servants could be asked to do shift hours in summer to cover the afternoons. This dosen't form part of the present reforms, but would be introduced at a later date as part of the development of the civil service!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-439095458437763602011-04-05T23:34:15.767+02:002011-04-05T23:34:15.767+02:00anon @ 23:10
mira ke tu lo ke va dici! Caruana es...anon @ 23:10<br /><br />mira ke tu lo ke va dici! Caruana es all knowing, y nadie sabe ma ke el. He dosen't have to ask anybody, pk el lo sabe to ma mejon!<br /><br />MorteroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-20372014291028392252011-04-05T23:10:35.352+02:002011-04-05T23:10:35.352+02:00Fabian will reveal all when the elections are call...Fabian will reveal all when the elections are called. As I read somewhere on this blog we have govt by opposition. parental contribution, the brussels office, no tax for occupational pensions, abolition of road tax, etc, etc. <br />Fabian is listening in order not only to assess what has to be done as oppose to a GSD govt that thinks that they have IDEAS and think that having toilets all round Gib, expensive bus stops, an unneeded air terminal, the most expensive hole in the middle of town that was supposed to be a Theatre, etc, etc are the IDEAS or visions from the GSD then carry on listening Fabian cos it is clear that what you and your team will be offering is what the electorate want and need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-4032555171008526232011-04-05T22:56:20.298+02:002011-04-05T22:56:20.298+02:00annon 21.14 & 21.39
what qualities would you ...annon 21.14 & 21.39<br /><br />what qualities would you consider a potential candidate for the post of Chief Minister should have?<br />Did the current incumbant have them at the time he took office, or have these qualities developed as the years have gone by?<br /><br />Paca GarseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com