tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post5608894663548157266..comments2023-05-19T13:43:33.131+02:00Comments on LLanito World: Election Fervour Starts?Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comBlogger121125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-20971118889710176212011-09-08T11:29:56.431+02:002011-09-08T11:29:56.431+02:00The subject is now closed ... I did try to avoid i...The subject is now closed ... I did try to avoid it.<br /><br />I consider that all are entitled to their respective religious beliefs and practices. I simply do not believe in the State imposing it by law on people. It is for each religion to ex sure compliance with ite moral codes by education and persuasion and not for anyone to impose those as absolute standards. That does not mean that I agree with behaviour that is not criminal but may still be morally reprehensible.Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-3562507293476642672011-09-08T11:09:25.845+02:002011-09-08T11:09:25.845+02:00In reply to Bertie: I have nothing whatsoever to d...In reply to Bertie: I have nothing whatsoever to do with "Christian Vision". <br />I do not believe in the "rapture" which I understand is a Protestant concept. I do not think that we are in "end times" but do believe that we are in difficult times. <br />Sexual abuse of children ranks at the very top of my list of crimes deserving the very severest punishment (Jesus said the following following of those who harmed children: Matthew 18:6 " it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea". <br /><br />This is closely followed by the other crimes which Bertie has listed. <br />I continue to be troubled by the way in which people like Bertie argue. Without any shred of evidence and indeed contrary to reality I have not only been characterized as a homophobe and then sharing ideas with a mass murderer but now Bertie chips in and says that I may have protestant fundamentalist ideas, that I have no concern for the victims of child molestation, rape, slavery etc. <br />I am beginning to think that some of these people are either joking or barking mad.<br />I will leave you gents to your own devices for the time being and reserve the right to answer whenever my or anybody else's religion is libelled or I am traduced.<br />Hasta la vista :)Charles Gomeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-20305791554157508772011-09-08T09:19:28.802+02:002011-09-08T09:19:28.802+02:00bertiebirdman said...
If Mr Gomez is thinking of r...bertiebirdman said...<br />If Mr Gomez is thinking of re-entering politics (..yawn) perhaps he would be so kind so as to explain the significance of the email address used as the contact for the homophobic, fundamentalist, ant-science, unsolicited garbage sent as junk mail under the title 'Christian Vision', i.e. endtimes? <br /><br />If elected, would he, like the fundamentalist in the USA be awaiting the Rapture? I'm sure even the GSD faithful (pun intended) would be concerned if their long term investments would need to be sold off at short notice.<br /><br />Incidentally if we are being commanded to follow so-called Christian morality, then why do the sexual abuse of children, rape, slavery and genocide not even make the 'top ten'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-49846445244994881172011-09-08T00:07:36.672+02:002011-09-08T00:07:36.672+02:00I am grateful to Mr.Gomez for his explanation, alt...I am grateful to Mr.Gomez for his explanation, although all he has done is profess his understandable revulsion at the murders of Utoya. I totally understand (and share) his position that those acts cannot be associated with Christianity, just as I am sure he will agree with me that murderous acts carried out by Al Qaeda cannot be associated with Islam. However, he has chosen to ignore my question, which was not about the murders of Utoya but specifically about the views contained in the manifesto, which include many of the same arguments which he and others have used in this forum and elsewhere before, namely the primacy of Christianity, the dangers of an encroaching Islamism, the evils of homosexuality, the dangers of secularism and the belief in a liberal conspiracy. I do not doubt Mr.Gomez's revulsion at the murders of Utoya, but I am interested to know whether he shares Breivik's world-view on these other issues, which, as Mr.Duarte has already pointed out elsewhere, seems to be the common thread running through the conservative, right-wing philosophy across Europe, including Gibraltar.<br /><br />I will not respond to the rest of his piece, or to the earlier contribution from one of his associates, all of which amount to a pathetic attempt at character-assassination - my portrayal as a "sad" person, the illustration of engaging with me as "crawling into a sewer", and the assertion that because I do not share his conservativism I cannot possible deserve the association with Calpe. <br /><br />Sometimes, instead of lecturing from the high altar about Christian compassion and understanding, it might serve our local crusaders better if they practised what they preached. So far from being "ashamed" of my views (as Anon @ 21:13 suggests I should be) I am proud of a multi-faith Gibraltar in which Gibraltarians of all creeds (and none) are equal, and I rather think that position is more deserving of an association with "Calpe" than any which is based on religious zealotry and exclusivism.Calpetanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-79395847674122222702011-09-07T23:03:46.776+02:002011-09-07T23:03:46.776+02:00I suspect that "Calpetano" is just a sad...I suspect that "Calpetano" is just a sad guy trying to be clever but his "question" to me is like an invitation to crawl into a sewer. For all my sense of revulsion I feel that I have to go there and answer his question. Anders Breivik's murders are a brutal affront to humanity. No sane person of any background or religion could view with anything other than violent revulsion what he did to those young people and their families. To even suggest that he was motivated by Christanity is possibly the worst defamation that I have ever heard of the Christian religion. It is, in my humble view an affront to the blessed name of Jesus Christ and it really fills me with horror. Christianity is the polar opposite of anything that Breivik thinks or has done. That is your answer "Calpetano". Now may I suggest that you ponder on your words before uttering them and change your pseudonym - "Calpe" really does not deserve any associaton with you.Charles Gomez.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-49804576471728901362011-09-07T21:19:51.471+02:002011-09-07T21:19:51.471+02:00Anon 19:41 - The one who mentioned me.
Thanks : )...Anon 19:41 - The one who mentioned me.<br /><br />Thanks : ) I also commend you! <br /><br />It very much seems you have mastered the art of brown nosing :)<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-80438868581346931812011-09-07T21:13:06.078+02:002011-09-07T21:13:06.078+02:00Mr. Gomez is a Christian gentleman, an intellectua...Mr. Gomez is a Christian gentleman, an intellectual and a man of the pen and the spoken word and has not threatened Calpetano with violence although he has certainly been sorely provoked. Charles has the patience of a saint! As I read him he has invited Calpetano to a discussion not a dust up but Calpetano runs away even from that. Consider this: Hitler was a conservationist, are all cosevationists Nazis? Obviously they are n't! I think that it is disgusting that Mr. Gomez should be asked whether he he subscribes to the ideology which underpins the murderer Breivik's manifesto just because Mr. Gomez defends Christan principles, thousands of other Gibraltarians do and 2 billion people do so world wide. Calpetano should be ashamed of himself and he should apologise to Charles who should carry on speaking freely in matters of public concern as he has always done and that is why he got 2,000 votes out of 14,000 at the last election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-62835518510796700242011-09-07T20:43:24.146+02:002011-09-07T20:43:24.146+02:00Anon @ 19:41.
Firstly, I did not "invent&quo...Anon @ 19:41.<br /><br />Firstly, I did not "invent" the pamphlet. Sadly I no longer have the pamphlet with me, but I can tell you that it is entitled "Christian Vision" and the author can be contacted at endtimes@mail.com. If you cannot get a copy, I would be happy to submit one to Robert personally when I receive the next edition.<br /><br />Secondly, the wish for a loss of deposit at an election is not the wish for a personal catastrophe, it is the wish that Mr.Gomez makes no in-roads whatsoever in the local political scene, not least because I consider a platform which views one religion as "superior" to others as dangerous. I would not want religious arrogance to form any part of my political representation, and so I wish for the loss of deposit. Again that is a perfectly valid position to have in a democracy.<br /><br />Thirdly, I have not delivered a personal insult. I have asked a valid question. I have not compared Mr.Gomez to a mass murderer, as he has chosen to believe. I have asked if he subscribes to the ideology which underpins Breivik's manifesto. From my perspective, given Mr.Gomez's stated belief in the primacy of Christianity and the "dangers" posed variably by the "spread" of Islam, homosexuality and liberalism (which must, in Mr.Gomez's words, be opposed in the same fashion as communism and facism were), there appears to be a degree of commonality in the positions. I am seeking for clarification, and look forward to receiving an answer to a perfectly legitimate question, not "face to face", but here on this blog - where we can all make our own independent judgements.<br /><br />Fourthly, since you do not know who I am, I would encourage you not to presume to know what my "standards" are. Thanks.Calpetanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-77004331904588534042011-09-07T20:23:36.423+02:002011-09-07T20:23:36.423+02:00Anonymous at 19:41
I had hoped to avoid this argu...Anonymous at 19:41<br /><br />I had hoped to avoid this argument by deleting the paragraph in question but Charles Gomez did not allow me to leave it there. There was no comparison in terms of actions only in terms of views expressed. Do you really believe that the pamphlet is an invention?Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-91546457929656346942011-09-07T19:41:41.053+02:002011-09-07T19:41:41.053+02:00Anon@18:57
I read that last paragraph where you d...Anon@18:57<br /><br />I read that last paragraph where you draw the comparison between Breivik and Mr Gomez. You saw Mr Gomez's face on the pamphlet that you 'invented' staring at you. Let us not mention the wish for the loss of deposit if he stood for election again.<br /><br />You state:<br /><br />"I will not do so firstly because I value my right to anonymity on this blog (and it would seem many others do so too) and secondly because implicit in his offer is, I believe, the threat of violence."<br /><br />Firstly, I do not consider that the right to anonymity on this blog gives me the right to deliver personal insults.<br /><br />Secondly, please do not judge Mr Gomez by your own standards. I am sure that by "face to face" he is not implying violence. If he had been implying violence he would have called a time and a place and not volunteered his telephone number. <br /><br />Thirdly, you could do us all a favour by sending this blog a copy of the "ultra-religious pamphlet" that you received.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-89504251745280141912011-09-07T19:41:13.903+02:002011-09-07T19:41:13.903+02:00Good for you Kaelan. Julia I think you guys are an...Good for you Kaelan. Julia I think you guys are an inspiration to the entire community and Your attitude is commendable given some of the unnencessary comments listed above. I wish you and your group the very best and look forward to hearing more from YGSD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-82461695460962925362011-09-07T19:29:29.737+02:002011-09-07T19:29:29.737+02:00Anon 15:35
Dont answer the question with a questi...Anon 15:35<br /><br />Dont answer the question with a question which I believe to be a brilliant question.<br /><br />Why 15 years wait?<br /><br />Low-fatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-88823635351984515442011-09-07T19:10:12.253+02:002011-09-07T19:10:12.253+02:00Mr.Gomez, I had not compared you to a mass murdere...Mr.Gomez, I had not compared you to a mass murderer. I had questioned whether you agreed with the ideology underpinning Breivik's manifesto. At no point did I suggest you supported his actions. I have just resubmitted a post to Robert (which I hope he will publish) setting out the difference between what I actually suggested, and what has subsequently been (wrongly, in my opinion) inferred by you, Robert and others. The question I asked of you is, in my view, perfectly valid.<br /><br />I can assure you I and the other liberal "conspirators" do not seek to silence you. Instead I appear to have been silenced, or at least muffled a little, for positing what I believe was a perfectly valid question. I do however disagree with your view that Christianity is the superior religion. I would likewise disagree with any Jew or Muslim expressing a similar view. When we enter the realm of considering ourselves superior to our fellow human beings, be it because of the colour of our skin, our nationality or, in this case, our creed, then we enter a very dangerous world indeed.Calpetanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-84508747978826979612011-09-07T19:04:51.310+02:002011-09-07T19:04:51.310+02:00Charles Gomez
You were not compared ti a mass mur...Charles Gomez<br /><br />You were not compared ti a mass murderer in actions ... Now you are resorting to propaganda and also committing the mistake of resorting to the tactics of your critics.Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-6107416325816842012011-09-07T18:59:42.177+02:002011-09-07T18:59:42.177+02:00I apologise then.
Usually when you do so, such a ...I apologise then.<br /><br />Usually when you do so, such a thing occurs :)<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-32424737089399774042011-09-07T18:57:42.047+02:002011-09-07T18:57:42.047+02:00Robert, the last paragraph of my previous post que...Robert, the last paragraph of my previous post questioned whether Mr.Gomez agreed with Breivik's manifesto. Given the similarities (in my view) between Breivik's position on the primacy of Christianity and some of the views expressed by Mr.Gomez on this page, I think the question is a valid one and not at all "scurrilous". I think there is a world of difference between enquiring from Mr.Gomez whether he agrees with the ideology underpinning Breivik's manifesto (which I did and which I think is valid) and suggesting, implicitly or explicitly, that Mr.Gomez supports murder (which I categorically did NOT do and which would certainly have been "scurrilous" or worse).<br /><br />I naturally accept your role as administrator and moderator and must therefore submit to your decision to delete the paragraph.<br /><br />With regard to Mr.Gomez's offer to call him to arrange a meeting so that I can repeat my words to him "face to face", I will not do so firstly because I value my right to anonymity on this blog (and it would seem many others do so too) and secondly because implicit in his offer is, I believe, the threat of violence. That may make me a "coward" in his eyes, but on this occasion I prefer to turn the other cheek.Calpetanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-5950949406210430532011-09-07T18:48:30.604+02:002011-09-07T18:48:30.604+02:00Calpetano
I have inadvertently deleted the last c...Calpetano<br /><br />I have inadvertently deleted the last comment that you submitted. Please could you resend it to me?Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-66087925082047314872011-09-07T18:47:29.509+02:002011-09-07T18:47:29.509+02:00Kaelan Joyce
I have not edited any of Tyrone Duar...Kaelan Joyce<br /><br />I have not edited any of Tyrone Duarte's comments.Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-59075193132005722982011-09-07T18:47:04.726+02:002011-09-07T18:47:04.726+02:00Reading some of the above comments have brought ho...Reading some of the above comments have brought home to me the problems facing Christians for just articulating their ideals. In this blog I have been called a homophobe and compared to mass murderer (which you eventually edited out). Now we are told that we should ignore the changing demographics of the European continent and that anyone who reminds us of the fact that historically Islam has exercised great power at odds with the west is not a serious historian(according to Mr. Duarte). I can well understand why many Christians including Christian leaders especially in the UK have effectively been silenced. In what remains of Calpetano's asinine contribution the suggestion is even made that it is some how wrong for Christians to think of our faith as superior to others. Every faith thinks that; Jews and Muslims do but in the current liberal witch hunt Christians are pilloried for saying so. Anything that does not adhere to liberal propaganda is attacked and insulted. I am strengthened in my view that liberalism and political correctness have created a new tyranny which must be opposed in the same way as communism and fascism before it.Charles Gomez.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-4925935139644101232011-09-07T18:46:05.003+02:002011-09-07T18:46:05.003+02:00Kaelan,
I didn't 'condemn' your comme...Kaelan,<br /><br />I didn't 'condemn' your comment, I just gave my opinion on the matter. I didn't attack you personally, in fact I highlighted the fact that I consider you a friend. However, your answer was personal and not political. We have discussed politics many times and agreed to disagree, but above all respect each others opinion. I didn’t appreciate your very personal comment, I don’t appreciate you claiming to have knowledge about the manner in which my friends view me and I suggest that before you make sweeping statements such as the one you made you check that A. you are in the right situation or forum to make those comments and B. you take a wider sample.<br /><br />I will continue to agree to disagree with you,<br /><br />JuliaJulianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-9413353999841134902011-09-07T18:45:19.024+02:002011-09-07T18:45:19.024+02:00Tyrone@17:27
Tyrone
Have you received this ultr...Tyrone@17:27<br /><br />Tyrone <br /><br />Have you received this ultra-religious pamphlet or do you know of anyone that has received this pamphlet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-57006721318048265522011-09-07T18:16:15.793+02:002011-09-07T18:16:15.793+02:00Tyronne Duarte "cynical and derisory remarks&...Tyronne Duarte "cynical and derisory remarks" seems to be the trend with your postings, seeing as RV needs to keep editing them. Hence the wording “anonymous” appearing just above your name on virtually everyone one of your blog entries. :) <br /><br />Please note my comments mimicked my thoughts at the time and were (as per usual) completely spun out of context by the ever eager GSD sycophants.<br /><br />Haven’t you noticed that the GSD “posy” instantly jump on my every comment? Por que sera?<br /><br />Furthermore I’m I not entitled to an opinion? Or is that privilege only reserved for an elite few?<br /><br /><br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-18905517587864238492011-09-07T17:41:22.889+02:002011-09-07T17:41:22.889+02:00Charles Gomez
You attribute to this blog a greate...Charles Gomez<br /><br />You attribute to this blog a greater readership than it has in the short period that the offending part of the comment was published. I did not publish your earlier comment precisely not to increase the numbers whonwould know that it was youbwhobwas mentioned but I have no personal objection so have published your follow up at your insistence. I am sure no one would take the offending comment seriously.Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-84908231536943113102011-09-07T17:27:07.503+02:002011-09-07T17:27:07.503+02:00Tyrone Duarte:
Kaelan, I was not advising, I was ...Tyrone Duarte:<br /><br />Kaelan, I was not advising, I was urging, pleading if you like. Nobody has "condemned" anything you have said, they have merely replied to your cynical and derisory remarks.<br /><br />In any case it would seem that you do not need anyone's advice; have you thought of running for Chief Minister? Seeing as you seem to be cut of the same cloth as those you criticise I think that you would be more than qualified. Best of luck.<br /><br />Robert, I agree that you were right to remove the comments from Calpetano's post. However, he does identify a crucial strand dominating parts of current European right-wing ideology that advocate extreme social conservatism and that culminate in the concept of "Eurabia". In the old days it was linked to the right of right wing Christian Democrats and to the Vatican aligned communities (Spaniads, Croats, Italians and Southern Germans).<br /><br />If such thinking is gaining ground amongst elements of our community it does need a firm rebuttal. The problem is that the overt darlings of this movement are the likes of Niall Ferguson and they often pass as legitimate historians, when in fact they have already crossed the line into political-ideology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-63103884281453957072011-09-07T17:18:54.228+02:002011-09-07T17:18:54.228+02:00Calpetano's scurrilous comments referred to me...Calpetano's scurrilous comments referred to me and will have been read by many people before you edited them. I doubt that any half intelligent person would take his words seriously but they were insulting and what is more the invective was clearly aimed at silencing me from stating my views and beliefs. That is something that I will not allow and I sent a response which you have not published suggesting that Calpetano should repeat what he said to my face and not cowardly hide behind anonymity. My phone number for the purpose of arranging a face to face exchange of impressions is 200 73316.Charles Gomez.noreply@blogger.com