tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post4301070242417205754..comments2023-05-19T13:43:33.131+02:00Comments on LLanito World: The "Andlaw" Incident and Today's GBC StatementLlanito World-Robert Vasquezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-25212172319474506342011-06-17T10:18:35.693+02:002011-06-17T10:18:35.693+02:00I am Cucumberbear and I am here again, Good Mornin...I am Cucumberbear and I am here again, Good Morning...<br /><br />I too watched the programme last night. It is becoming more and more obvious that there is a sweeping tide of discontent and disillusionment against the GSD.<br />David Bentata spoke up to comment very positively on Joe Bossano's speech at St Kitts.<br />The important perspective not to ignore is not the main substance of his address but its side effect. By this I mean the very clear message sent to Madrid about the resolute posture of the people of our beloved Gibraltar not to succumb to Spanish threats.<br /><br />The public is frustrated, viz the repeated legitimate complaints of the boat owners and the fishermen, for example, your cousin chooses to ignore. The programme makes an interesting study in body language too, in particular LA's discomfort when political praise contrary to his convictions are aired in his presence. His grimacing speaks volumes. <br />I had to smile at RC's stab in the second half also at the mention of no less than 5 women being honoured. LOL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-59955909969774779782011-06-15T12:39:25.417+02:002011-06-15T12:39:25.417+02:00Tomorrow is "About Town" evening on GBC....Tomorrow is "About Town" evening on GBC.. I am looking forward to observing the performance of LA on The Landscape, LOL. Two programmes ago he was prodded by RC who asked LA if his wife C drove the car, to which he retorted: "Tengo cara de chalao o que pasa ?!!" FUNNY. LA is an interesting creature to watch, purely from an anthrpological viewpoint. His daily habits are quite bizarre.From Parliament Lane to the Star Bar across the street, then up Main Street to stop and gossip where possible, always with other men never women,then to the Post Office, (as he is a very important person and has to be seen carrying lots of envelopes and papers under his arm)and then to The Gib Regt Club in Irish Town, again to fetch and carry gossip. It is interesting to note all these venues are predominantly male preserves. It must be mortifying to LA to have to sit so close to Odette rather than far away from any programme participant of the female gender. LOL. FUNNY. Cucumberbear does not like him. Cucumberbear loves women and loves women to love him. This is a deep rift between Cucumber and LA and his fun loving, totty enthusiastic chums. We look forward to further public gaffes tomorrow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-82983171151065987032011-06-08T12:32:59.141+02:002011-06-08T12:32:59.141+02:00Yes, and I would like to be included in the progra...Yes, and I would like to be included in the programme "About Town" so that I could provide some amusement to viewers.<br /><br />I would create an imaginary character, an old boy, a real carbunkle on the landscape with arcane views on life.<br /><br />I would protest against men having mistresses, going to nightclubs or chatting up strange women.<br /><br />My character would be against any form of hanky panky and flirting of any sort.<br /><br />My character would defend the idea that a woman's place is in the home, pregnant.<br /><br />My character would argue that for men to go about freely unchaperoned could be risky, inappropriate, and other arcanities.<br /><br />I would make the viewers guffaw, guaranteed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-20022183555469307532011-06-08T11:29:42.194+02:002011-06-08T11:29:42.194+02:00Cucumberbear now comments...
Luis Andlaw, bless h...Cucumberbear now comments...<br /><br />Luis Andlaw, bless him, has very peculiar ideas about women in general and about heterosexual relationships in particular.<br /><br />He is against flirting of any sort.<br /><br />He dislikes the idea of any hanky panky.<br /><br />He does not approve of people having flings.<br /><br />He thinks the best situation for women is to be pregnant and at home.<br /><br />The truth is, Luisito by his own admission, is scared stiff of the opposite sex, cannot handle women at all, does not understand them, and is not like me and my friends hoo love hanky panky, flirting and having flings....Ha! Ha! Ha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-48055685950209554472011-02-20T23:45:28.789+01:002011-02-20T23:45:28.789+01:00Anon 00:49
Raises interesting points.
Food for t...Anon 00:49<br /><br />Raises interesting points.<br /><br />Food for thought I reckon.....<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-16945384981709181562011-02-20T21:16:21.125+01:002011-02-20T21:16:21.125+01:00Would GBC allow a Nazi to air their views on the c...Would GBC allow a Nazi to air their views on the channel, even if they were to say that it is simply their opinion?<br />And if this were the case, what would Mr Sol Seruya, and indeed Mr Bentata & Ms Benatar, say about this?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-72157705541713027782011-02-20T00:49:39.791+01:002011-02-20T00:49:39.791+01:00After hearing all the hype on Mr. Andlaws comment ...After hearing all the hype on Mr. Andlaws comment I just had to write. Im a hard working young woman who works approx 60hrs a week to make ends meet and I can sincerely say I dont find his comment the least bit offensive, on the contrary its another way of recognising being a housewife as a full time job, disagreeing with this in a way is agreeing with all the sexists out there where both husband and wife work fulltime jobs but the wife is expected to do all or most of the housework aswell now that is sexist. I tell you what if present gibraltar hadnt forced us into a steep mortgage and my husbands <br />sector were employing more locals and permanantly and not so many foreign <br />workers enabling him to have a steady reliable job I would be more than <br />happy to wake up take kids to school have coffee in town and do the <br />housework and hopefully have time to waste on hobbies etc etc Funnily <br />enough I took a day off and had coffee in town with some "housewife friends" <br />and they where critising Mr. Andlaw between commenting on the latest <br />"novela" they were watching, which those of us who work cant watch and I <br />asked why they didnt seek a job and one answer was that her exhusband <br />would pay less maintenance if she worked! Gibraltar has some very sexist <br />issues to work out (e.g. a divorced man pays the exwife maintenance but if <br />the husband has the custody or care and control of the children the wife can <br />go on with her life as if shed never had kids without paying a penny) and Mr. <br />Andlaws is not one of them its what he believes and in a way what I wish I <br />could do myself, I am gratefull for the rights we as women have rightfully <br />achieved but believe we still have the raw end of the stick on some matters <br />housewife/husband is a fulltime job specially with children involved either <br />partner staying at home is not sexist sexist is not sharing the housework <br />when you both work and many put up with that!! <br /><br />G.YAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-10587791283604383632011-02-20T00:03:45.471+01:002011-02-20T00:03:45.471+01:00WSG
Now you SPIN the whole argument!!
It was A...WSG<br /><br />Now you SPIN the whole argument!! <br /><br />It was ALL about "Attitudes in our society"! How could I MISS it???? lolololol<br /><br />Your funny I shall give you that. :)<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-79942492281693468102011-02-19T23:20:56.356+01:002011-02-19T23:20:56.356+01:00It was great to see intelligent people like Charl...It was great to see intelligent people like Charlie Durante and Mary Chiappe being asked to attend Viewpoint . There clearly are individuals of such calibre In Gibraltar who are prepared to attend live programmes (like TAT) and make valuable contributions to public debate (without offending viewers in the process). Surely GBC could better select its panel of co-presenters for TAT?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-33994990058855289452011-02-19T14:08:10.951+01:002011-02-19T14:08:10.951+01:00I found Andlaw's or Verano's (like my fath...I found Andlaw's or Verano's (like my father used to call him) comments,offensive,sexist and an aberration on his part.<br /> <br />Those who excuse him or try to make light of his comments are as guilty as he is.<br /><br />Are you aware, how comments like these can legitimize victorian sex discriminatory practices, which are illegal under our constitution and European Directives against gender discrimination. (people can be put in jail for saying things like this,)<br />Removing him from the programme would be mild treatment.<br /><br /> Aristei.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-40282892009490687592011-02-19T13:50:38.895+01:002011-02-19T13:50:38.895+01:00Actually I do not find the language question borin...Actually I do not find the language question boring at all. <br /><br />But to come to the beginning, Andlaw's comments where despicable and while he did have the right to say what he said under the apocryphal statement alluded to Voltaire that ‘I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it’. So okay he said it but that does not mean that we (or GBC) have to continue to air this view, or that we should have equally stridently gone against this view and projected it strongly. Indeed, it is not Andlaw who is a sexist, it is Gibraltarian society as a whole which is. The fact that he could air these views and receive quiet acquiescence from many sectors is a testament to this fact – including the silence from the women’s groups.<br /><br />As to the Spanish language question, I can tell you for a fact that we leave in a fairyland if we think we are bilingual. Our repudiation of Spain in which many equate the language with the government has rendered us at best semi-lingual and at worst monolingual. I have worked for many years in Latin America (most of which incidentally speak Spanish without in any way thinking that they are Spanish...) and it was a shock awakening to the dire state of our ‘Spanish’. I am sorry to say that I was ashamed of myself. We delude ourselves in thinking we speak the language at all competently, if not try holding a half competent conversation in only Spanish.<br /><br />Being truly bilingual is a gift, unfortunately it is a gift we are losing. Speaking Spanish correctly does not make me less of a Gibraltarian, speaking Spanish is not a sell-out, it should be seen as a tool. I in particular bemoan the condition of our native Spanberish. I do not care if 60% speak the language or not, what is important is that like or not, believe it or ignore it Spanish cultural influence was a major force in the development of our culture, by denying this we deny our own uniqueness and our roots. And lets not forget Spanish is still the 2nd largest world language spoken as a 1st language...<br /><br />And with that adios! (with a slight Latin American inflection... ;)<br /><br />KLaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-41391590149928575352011-02-19T12:39:22.236+01:002011-02-19T12:39:22.236+01:00Ah right yes. You are right. I am a secret ex-pat ...Ah right yes. You are right. I am a secret ex-pat GSD spy. You got me! Well done... I mean, seriously!?<br /><br />Regardless of what or who I am, you miss the whole point of my initial post which isn't about English or Spanish but actually about the attitudes in our society.<br /><br />Whether I am Gibraltarian/politically independent (which I actually am whether you choose to believe it or not!) is of no relevance!Westside School Graduatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-88309081527908188812011-02-18T17:44:42.535+01:002011-02-18T17:44:42.535+01:00Can we stop the argument on English/Spanish use of...Can we stop the argument on English/Spanish use of language? It really is beoming a bore and not central to any of the political issues in debate ...Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-11847362046412066142011-02-18T14:12:20.331+01:002011-02-18T14:12:20.331+01:00WSG 10:33
I see your tone has now changed and tha...WSG 10:33<br /><br />I see your tone has now changed and that you "sing" a very different tune indeed. <br /><br />How could I misperceive such comments? Please see below:<br /><br />(1) “May I ask - Why do almost all children in Gibraltarian schools study GCSE and A level Spanish when it is a language that we cover perfectly well in our social lives??? and let's not give a ridiculous excuse about learning to use the language correctly - If that was really the interest that we would have advanced Spanish classes for our children in order to give them better opportunities to use Spanish in a business context... The answer is: Minimum input, maximum return.”<br /><br />(2) “all the high paying job being taken by ex-pats: now we can't be completely blameless for that either can we??<br /><br />Furthermore you are mistaken when you state the following: “I state that we shouldn't pretend that GCSE and A level Spanish are taught because we need to learn the language properly, which is exactly your argument”. <br /><br />That is NOT my argument at all on the contrary it is the exact OPPOSITE! <br /><br />Please feel free to re-read my initial posting and you will see that what I DID post was, “There is a NEED to learn the Spanish language to a level that will enable us to read, write and understand it accordingly. The Gibberish we learn in the streets is not proper Spanish and is a useless asset.”. <br /><br />To which I then added “There is a NEED to read and write in Spanish because even those few hours we do during our comprehensive years will pay off in the long term. “Engaging in Spanish dialect and debate in an academic manner rather than using the usual Gibo slang is highly educational. We are (during this process) unknowingly taking our Spanish speaking, reading and writing skills to a whole new level.”.<br /><br />How can you derive from such statements that Spanish (at GCSE/A LEVEL standard) is “NOT taught because we need to learn the language properly”?????? I am completely bedazzled by such comments!! Lololol<br /><br />On a final note, I am quite skeptical of your claims regarding who you are and what political party tendencies you have. 100% llanita? REALLY? Says who? You as an anonymous blogger? As for your expat ties....<br /><br />You seem to be backpedalling.<br /><br />Sorry but I am not convinced, not one bit, not at all.<br /><br /><br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-44134544132403387412011-02-18T10:33:36.147+01:002011-02-18T10:33:36.147+01:00Kaelan Joyce.
Thanks for your reply.
It's ...Kaelan Joyce.<br /><br /><br />Thanks for your reply.<br /><br /><br />It's funny that you accuse me of being a GSD sycophant when i specifically place blame on past and PRESENT governments for the attitudes that I believe are prevalent in our society.<br /><br />You are wrong in your accusations... both of my political views and of my ethnic background. I am "100% llanita" as we like to state. Mis padres nacieron en Gibraltar. Yo naci en Gibraltar. Mis hijos naciran en Gibraltar. They don't come more Gibraltarian than me, mi rey. <br /><br /><br />If you had taken the time to read my comment properly you would have seen the point where I state that we shouldn't pretend that that GCSE and A level spanish are taught because we need to learn the language properly, which is exactly your argument. GCSE and Spanish A level are designed for non-native speakers... GCSE and A level English are designed for NATIVE speakers... I know this first hand as I have all four qualifications. My point is that my time studying spanish GCSE and A level would have been far better spent learning the language to a much higher level, rather than just get a certificate to prove what I already knew... I can happily read La casa de Bernarda Alba in my spare time and fully appreciate it with the knowledge that I was lucky enough to acquire as a citizen and resident of a bilingual territory. Why are we not taught advanced Spanish so that we can better transfer these skills to the work place?<br /><br />I am not and would never defend Louis Andlaw's comments - I am in complete disagreement and find them abhorrent. However I can dismiss them because as a woman, I know full well and first hand that that my "place" is not in the home. <br /><br />I feel an obligation to reach my full potential, socially AND professionally. I just wish that this was a more widely held view in our society by BOTH men and women.<br /><br />As for my party preferences... If it were possible, my ten votes would go to Robert... <br /><br />Vive la revolucion!<br /><br />On another note I do very clearly see the disparity between the Spanish speaking teenagers of 10 years ago (myself included) and the teenagers of today and I think it is very sad that our bilingual identity is being lost - The goverment and the people should be aware of this and should do something about it. A second language is a priceless asset.<br /><br />WSGWestside School Graduatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-76745681415945737872011-02-18T09:57:28.097+01:002011-02-18T09:57:28.097+01:00Anon 21:52
The common Llanito/a speaks Spanish ma...Anon 21:52<br /><br />The common Llanito/a speaks Spanish mainly. Whether he/she speaks it appropriately or not is another matter altogether.<br /><br />Are you denying this?<br /><br />I never went to any Spanish school as such lolol.<br /><br />There are no stastics to prove or DISPROVE my assessments I am just using COMMON sense.<br /><br />KKaelan Joycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-80214891973374936592011-02-17T22:07:47.219+01:002011-02-17T22:07:47.219+01:00GBC should get a life its programmes even without ...GBC should get a life its programmes even without Andlaw are very poor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-69272738992336724242011-02-17T21:52:08.261+01:002011-02-17T21:52:08.261+01:00"Spanish is the first language for over 60% o..."Spanish is the first language for over 60% of our population whether you like it or not."...<br /><br />Where on earth did you come up with the 60% figure ??? Is this another area of your expertise ??<br /><br />I am old enough to be of your parents generation and the fact that (rightly or wrongly) most youngsters under their mid twenties are more fluent in English than Spanish is testament to which language we are most familiar with.<br /><br />I can only assume that if Spanish is your first language you must have spent your initial educational years at a Spanish school ???... Not that I`m suggesting there`s anything wrong with that by the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-85358118250244226292011-02-17T21:43:07.620+01:002011-02-17T21:43:07.620+01:00So there are layers of incompetence then. Great.So there are layers of incompetence then. Great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-48124876973414841842011-02-17T21:41:24.061+01:002011-02-17T21:41:24.061+01:00Why hasn't Viewpoint addressed the topical sub...Why hasn't Viewpoint addressed the topical subject of sexism ? <br /><br />More burying one's head in the sand!! <br /><br />Ignoring things doesn't make them go away chaps!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-78204359415051268742011-02-17T21:38:05.446+01:002011-02-17T21:38:05.446+01:00Anonymous at 21:24
I think it may be a little unf...Anonymous at 21:24<br /><br />I think it may be a little unfair to place all the blame on Mr King. There is a higher authority: the GBC Board. This board is charged by the Gibraltar Broadcasting Corporation Act to control and govern the Corporation. Has it done so on this occasion? It has certainly been very quiet throughout? Has it even met to discuss the controversy? Have they checked the guidelines that existed when I was on the Board to see whether it provides any rules that are applicable?Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-65504924839514281462011-02-17T21:24:16.785+01:002011-02-17T21:24:16.785+01:00Let's not miss the woods for the trees folks. ...Let's not miss the woods for the trees folks. GBC has continually given credence to the sexist and obsolete views of Mr Andlaw, merely by allowing them to be aired repeatedly. Surely less airspace should be given to people with such offensive opinions. <br /><br />Who is to blame? <br /><br />Not Mr Andlaw who expresses his views (mistaken as they are). Although he might have done the gallant and gentlemanly thing and at least apologised to those he offended. <br /><br />Mr Cartwright and co- presenters? Most certainly for having avoided the issue, patronised the caller, blindly defended Mr Andlaw (who I am sure did not need their defending), addressed the issue at the end of the programme thereby undermining its significance, lacked professional integrity, generally allowing the situation to deteriorate instead of limiting the damage caused.<br /><br />Mr King? Of course as the man at the top he should not allow this type of scenario to arise, ( I am certain others individuals would be able to entertain the public equally as well as Mr Andlaw without offending half the population in the process!) Secondly once such a scenario has arisen Mr King should act in the public interest and condemn offensive behaviour and comments. Giving Mr Andlaw little warnings is not enough. I have no faith in his ability to lead GBC (at least not in the right direction!!) His actions (or lack of) reek of cowardice and complacency. I fear that he will only reinforce sexist views. <br /><br />I wonder what the female staff at GBC have to say about Mr King and the way he runs his ship? I wonder whether they are subject to sexist treatment of any kind? I wonder indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-79549916464965639242011-02-17T20:40:51.896+01:002011-02-17T20:40:51.896+01:00Anonymous at 18:16
You cannot be much of am indep...Anonymous at 18:16<br /><br />You cannot be much of am independent thinker when you condemn the Core Principles of the Coalition of Independents for Reform without even having seen them. I would suggest to you that Charles Gomez will at least read and consider them before rejecting them ... He may even agree on some of them.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous at 18:22<br /><br />Is this a real comment? Undemocratic? I cannot be undemocratic as I have no power. All I have done is exercise my right of freedom of expression after defending this same right as exercised by all others, including Louis Andlaw.<br /><br />I am exactly that no one with any power. I am just someone expressing an OPINION, so I cannot be undemocratic.<br /><br />Distasteful? To preach moderation is "distasteful"? That is news to me.<br /><br />Anonymous at 20:04<br /><br />I have jumped on no band wagon. I condemned the statement by Mr Andlaw virtually immediately he made it in a comment more than 2 weeks ago. I write what I believe and give MY opinions. If I succeed politically it will be because people believe in my opinions. I will not mould them to what others think simply to succeed. It is precisely that attitude that is ingrained in our party political system that I am fighting against. If that means I come unstuck so be it but I do not think that this is the case save with some reactionary persons who would never vote for me anyway.Llanito World-Robert Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683191110402987525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-7794302736771364532011-02-17T20:33:01.401+01:002011-02-17T20:33:01.401+01:00I live in the UK and huge levels of political corr...I live in the UK and huge levels of political correctness exist here. I do not think the lack of political correctness in Gibraltar is a bad thing.<br /><br />I do not agree with Mr Andlaw but he makes one good point. Having both parents working is very bad for family life. Unfortunately many people do this not out of choice but because one income is not enough.<br /><br />My view is that everyone has a right to an opinion, but GBC is not obliged to provide air time for all opinions. But it should not go out of it's way to censor things either.<br /><br />Many people have said things which are not politically correct, e.g. Peter Caruana has said the government should not be giving the impression that homosexual buggery is OK. No minister in the UK would say something like that today, because things have changed so much in the last 20 years, but again this is a personal opinion.<br /><br />Don JuanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2247742529089642474.post-4086112441469623412011-02-17T20:12:34.502+01:002011-02-17T20:12:34.502+01:00I think that we should all consider the establishm...I think that we should all consider the establishment of los Cervantes and make use of it, that's what it's there for and embracing something that could benefit us all has to be a worthy consideration over this silly fear that we might all be brain washed. Our Spanish is generally very poor, particularly vocabulary wise and we should all be encouraged to learn properly and not use this slang which only makes us look and sound ridiculous. Has anyone ever got stuck in their tracks whilst in conversation with a spaniard because of a limited vocabulary?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com